#44255 - 09/17/05 02:53 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
[Re: lastsupper]
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I think there are three differences between the situation Jesus faced at that time and the situation most of us face today:
1. Jesus was in exceptionally close communication with His Father, and He knew what His Father wanted Him to do specifically. Most of us are not in that position as yet. We don't yet have the prayer life, the complete willingness to take the consequences, or the fixation on what God wants to the exclusion of all other things.
2. Although they didn't realize it, the Jews were at the end of their rope as a nation. When a person is about ready to slip over a cliff or fall into a fire, you do not just speak quiet words to that person - you yell as loud as possible.
3. Jesus had tried everything else to get the Jewish leadership and the Jewish nation to see the precarious situation they were in.
This was one of His last moments to get their attention. Miracles done precisely in the same as in the olden days hadn't done it. Healing the sick of diseases that baffled even the foremost medical authorities hadn't done it. Calming the fiercest forces of nature hadn't even done it. Casting out the worst demons hadn't done it. A "violent" cleansing of the Temple, the seat of the Jewish religion, was all that there was left to do. If that failed, the only other way was to let the Romans have a demolition party, which happened.
We are not in the position Jesus was at this time so I don't see how we can justify using the methods mentioned in this chapter.
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#44256 - 09/21/05 08:54 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
[Re: jared]
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I just read on the Jews for Judaism website that carrying anything that weighed more than 2 dried figs was against the law, a few thousand years ago, for the devout Jews. I wonder who thought up a law like that?
That whole system of religion had to be confronted and dealt with, lest everyone would think that that was true religion. Of course, there was only one person, an outsider, really, that could show what was truth, and what was garbage. He had to expell the scammers twice, because of the selfishness of human natures, and man's inability or unwillingness to understand or do what God wanted him to do.
Sometimes I wonder if all of the Christian religions must be swept away to be replaced by something more true. The opposite could happen, too, where our religions are replaced by something more false. Actually, both could happen at the same time. The True Churches would probably meet in homes or secluded areas, while the False Churches would continue on as usual. That won't happen until Extraterrestrial Contact is made (with Satan). That's when a false peace comes to earth, and nearly everyone thinks the Messiah has come at last.
Now, is Satan a Flaming, Fiery Serpent (seraph), one of the 4-faced 6-winged Cherubim, or a sun-faced fire-legged Messenger? I suppose his spirit could transfer into any of those creatures, or control them from a distance, sort of like possession.
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#44258 - 09/27/05 06:07 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
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Unfortunately, for those Jews who didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah, the Temple lost its protection and was destroyed along with Jerusalem, back in AD 70. They kept looking for a Messiah who would save their country and bring peace to the entire world.
In the future, those still looking for the Messiah will find one, who will indeed bring peace to the world. But there will be a terrible price to pay for swearing allegiance to the False Messiah, even though it will seem so right to most of the world.
The Imposter possesses the same kind of weapon God used when he vaporized Elijah’s sacrifice, including the rocks that supported it. It would be an easy way to threaten or get rid of dissenters and impress the rest into receiving the Mark of the Beast (one world government ID, tatoo, chip, or something else).
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#44260 - 10/04/05 07:03 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
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Just thinking again about the True Temple and the Sea of Glass over the past few days, one of my favorite subjects. (I look up at thick cloudbanks sometimes and wonder if there's something hidden behind the clouds.)
The True Temple on the Sea of Glass is actually the control center/seat of government of the universe, where heads of state (from different planets) meet with God from time to time and major descisions are made. There would be feasts and banquets and holiday celebrations, too, I suppose, not in the Temple Complex, but elsewhere, either on the Sea of Glass, or in the New Jerusalem. There should be plenty of room, since the New Jerusalem is nearly 2/3 the size of the moon in volume.
The Sea of Glass, kind of like our large airports associated with large cities, is connected to the space-based New Jerusalem, where visitors could stay. There's a great celebration in the Sea of Glass, just after the people rescued from earth arrive. After the celebration, all get to go to a great banquet in their honor.
I suppose Satan has a counterfeit control center, too, where he commands his rebel forces, those unwilling to submit to God's rule. He would need to build a replica on earth, the False Temple, in order substantiate his claim to be ruler of the earth. He will control earth through his one-world government. His space-city, called Babylon in the Bible, is doomed to fall from the sky and crash into the sea.
His line that he's been treated badly by God, backed by demonstrations of his impressive technology, will fool far too many people. Many will be surprised to see that the cast of heavenly characters in the Bible all travel in spacecraft (thrones/cloudy chariots/chariots of fire). Only those who know the Bible inside and out, protected by their prayers and obedience to God's Word, will be safe.
We could all do that.
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#44261 - 10/06/05 03:26 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
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It might be quite convincing to humans if an extraterrestrial, Satan, arrives here in dazzling magnificence, claiming to be our creator who didn’t use magic words, but highly advanced technology to generate life. So here's Satan in person, but where is God at this time? I suppose that's why we need to know the Bible inside and out, so we can detect falsehood. I’m sure God will provide evidence of his power, though, to those who believe in him and love him and follow him.
I wonder what will happen to all the books on evolution after Satan arrives, debunking the entire concept by his lying assertions which contain some truth.
In reality, Satan is the God of Death. That's the god that fanatical religious groups worship, those who delight in blowing up or shooting their unsuspecting victims, not to mention kidnapping followed by decapitation ceremonies. The world is relatively silent on this, until the fanatics' political leader, an ex-dictator, is photographed by their opponents in his underwear or prisoners are photographed in naked poses. Is that the worst America can do? Perhaps Christianity has made most Americans softer hearted than Middle-Eastern religion practitioners, who hate their own lives enough to destroy themselves and anyone else who doesn't agree with them.
Of course, they do believe that after killing themselves and as many others as possible for their God of Death, they can expect to receive 72 virgins to rape and abuse at will in the afterlife. They will, I expect, be in for a most unpleasant surprise. They’ll wake up in the Second Resurrection, meet their God of Death standing before a great city of light, now claiming to have just resurrected them so they can help him overpower it. There’s so many of them outside, uncounted billions, how can the city resist?
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#44262 - 10/15/05 05:34 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
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Back to Nico and Sid's opening comments.
If we point out someone's faults or errors directly to them, we will probably make an enemy. If we can illustrate the problem and solution with a story directed at a much larger class, we may get our point across without a hostile reaction. That's kind of the way Jesus usually operated.
To rid the Temple of scammers and unbelievers required direct and explosive action. I think that should be our course of action, also, if we see scamming leaders and preachers polluting the church with false doctrines or schemes involving making money. Really, it's OK to be excommunicated if such a thing happens. Your work will enter a new field.
The people in Jesus' day ate the poison of false beliefs, making it nearly impossible for them to wake up and believe that Jesus came from God. Today we must be diligent, too, to reject the poison of unbelief and false belief so prevalent in our churches, lest we too become anesthetized and unable to defend ourselves against alluring Satanic forces arrayed against us.
We'd be far better off forming neighborhood groups to study the Bible and engage in doing good for others, such as help with the children, help with the elderly, being friends by calling new acquaintances from time to time, sending something of interest to a sick person, adopting a long term care resident to give companionship or clothing to, etc., than by plopping down in a church pew for 2-3 hours, period.
The Bible emits a powerful beam of light, illuminating our minds, when we study it by ourselves or with friends and ask, "What does God want me to do?" This beam of light connects us to the Spirit of God, which in turn connects us to God himself. The Bible is the only book on earth, that I know of, that has that kind of power.
If we do the work God wants us to do, by removing evil and selfish acts and thoughts from our lives, and living to bless others, then we no longer need to be afraid to die, because our consciences will be clear and so will our life records. After life on earth is over, it will then be up to the Father and the Son to determine who will receive Everlasting Life, and who won't. Only the Pure and Unselfish will have a place in the Kingdom of the Stars.
May God have mercy on us all.
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Across the Universe in a Blaze of Light
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#44263 - 11/02/05 02:04 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
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I'm getting another idea about the temple in "heaven", in space, really. (Heaven means "lofty", or "up".) There are these flying mountains mentioned in the Bible, "great and high". Mt. Zion is one of these, I believe. It may be very large, maybe 50 miles across at its base. Located on it's flat top, a square maybe 5-10 miles across, is the temple complex. On this upper area is the Sea of Glass where John saw the celebration of the arrival of the 144,000 from Earth.
After rescuing the righteous and leaving Earth, Mt. Zion journeys across space to the New Jerusalem, the huge starship city, then docks with it. After the ceremony and celebration, the 144,000 enter the city through the airlocks (gates). The much smaller craft, the "thrones" described by the prophets, are parked on the Sea of Glass in a hollow square surrounding Jesus and God on their "throne". This is beginning to make a little more sense to me.
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#44264 - 11/18/05 08:26 AM
Re: Ch. 16 "In His Temple"
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We have a picture of God blazing away on Mt. Zion, his home out in space, somewhere. He releases so much energy that his subjects must be shielded by the Cherubim when he is within view.
Spirit can be defined as breath, or wind. I'm wondering if the tremendous amount of energy that God emits is his Spirit, the creative/healing/life-sustaining force that permeates the universe. Maybe it's just a one-way transfer of energy, so his Messengers must return to him with information that interests him. Maybe if God stopped emitting energy, all life in the universe would cease.
We too, have spirits, but a different kind than God's Spirit. It's main function is memory storage, but it can also be accessed by Messengers and the Spirit of God. It works like spyware...they can read our thoughts unknown to us. That's how God knows what we need even before we ask him.
Seems like there would be a time lag if a Messenger had to return to God with our requests, say for healing. Maybe they can travel very, very fast, or, they know a short cut in traveling great distances. When Jesus healed someone, it was instantaneous, or nearly so. My imagination is unable to come up with any other explanation about the Spirit of God at this time.
Maybe a repentant human is so rare that that's why the Messengers rejoice over it so much. It's probably very sad to them, to see so many humans waste their lives, oblivious to the wonders waiting for them because they don't believe, or don't do what they know is right. I'm ashamed of myself at times, because of the words that come out of my mouth. I can't give up hope, though. I just need to study the Bible more and talk less.
Disobedient, selfish people would not fit in well with God's crew. They would find fault with others or with God, perpetuating the cycle of Evil. It's an act of mercy, I suppose, that everyone who doesn't repent of their evil thoughts and acts are not permitted everlasting life. It would be an everlasting life of misery for them, and everyone else who had to be around them.
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