#343111 - 03/10/10 08:15 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: John317]
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Can you tell us who the first SDA was who stated clearly that God will not destroy the wicked by fire after the one thousand years? Please give the reference. with all due respect, can you give one pioneer who believed in the "trinity" doctrine? or that the Holy Spirit literally inhabits a person? please give the reference.
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Psalm 140:8 Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they exalt themselves. Selah.
3.Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
2Ch 20:15... Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
yes, Lord and thank You.
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#343113 - 03/10/10 08:17 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: pnattmbtc]
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Can you tell us who the first SDA was who stated clearly that God will not destroy the wicked by fire after the one thousand years? If you mean by "destroy the wicked by fire" torturing them for days by setting them on fire, Ellen White is one. Teresa I think has quoted quite a few others.
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#343115 - 03/10/10 08:17 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: Robert]
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Richard Holbrook: Not from Ellen White it couldn't. She speaks very plainly,... What book of the Bible can I find EGW? Hmmm? Can't find the book of Ellen. Look in Jack Sequeira's books, Robert. You will find plenty of her there, as well as many quotes used as authority. No one is saying she is in the Bible. But then neither is Jack Sequeira or M. Cambell. None of those are authorities. For SDAs, however, Ellen White is a continuing authority. We recognize her as an inspired prophet of God. I know Jack Sequeira does since he refers to her writings as "the Spirit of prophecy."
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#343116 - 03/10/10 08:19 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: pnattmbtc]
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You just can't help yourself, can you? It's called a huge ego....His education has gone to his head....He think he is Mr. Bible...the answer man. At one time I would have listened to John, but I've learned forceful folks like John, as well meaning as they might be, are fallible people who many times are wrong....We must arrive at truth for ourselves....If we are honestly wrong God still accepts us....but He will never accept us through another's theology.
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#343117 - 03/10/10 08:19 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: Richard Holbrook]
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the same argument could be used by those who believe in eternal torment. Not from Ellen White it couldn't. She speaks very plainly, not only about where the destruction comes from, but about how it ends. when you witness to non-sdas you pull out ellen white? how far do you get?
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Psalm 140:8 Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they exalt themselves. Selah.
3.Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
2Ch 20:15... Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
yes, Lord and thank You.
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#343118 - 03/10/10 08:20 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: Robert]
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.We must arrive at truth for ourselves....If we are honestly wrong God still accepts us....but He will never accept us through another's theology. wow!! thats what ive said for decades!
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Psalm 140:8 Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they exalt themselves. Selah.
3.Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
2Ch 20:15... Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
yes, Lord and thank You.
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#343119 - 03/10/10 08:23 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: skyblue888]
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Reposting this for John317: pnattmbtc: Remember that God is often presented as doing that which He permits. How do we know when this is or is not the case? (i.e., when God is taking direct action, as opposed to removing His protection).
For example, we're told that God sent fiery serpents upon the Israelites. What did God actually do here? Did He take direct action, or remove His protection? How do we know?
J:The serpents were an example of destructive power resulting from God's permissive will. He withdrew his protective care from His people.
p:I asked how we know this. Why do you conclude this is an example of God's permissive will as opposed to active? The language is active.
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#343120 - 03/10/10 08:24 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: John317]
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Look in Jack Sequeira's books, Robert. Dude...bubba, or whatever....Stop with the Jack Sequeira nonsense. I'm warning you now, stop it...it's unacceptable. You are trying to pit me against Jack...this is the devil's work. I agree with jack on 95% of his stuff....I also know he against EGW abusers such as yourself....You cramp her down our throats....He would warn you of such disgusting actions if he were here....
Edited by Robert (03/10/10 08:26 PM)
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#343122 - 03/10/10 08:25 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: teresaq(sda)]
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John317: Can you tell us who the first SDA was who stated clearly that God will not destroy the wicked by fire after the one thousand years? Please give the reference. teresaq(sda): with all due respect, can you give one pioneer who believed in the "trinity" doctrine? or that the Holy Spirit literally inhabits a person? please give the reference. Sure, I can. But I'm going to do you a favor and let you study the subject more; then you can rethink your question and ask it or another question if you like. You must not know the history of the doctrine or of the church too well if you would ask something like that. By the way, do you believe in the Trinity as the doctrine is taught in the SDA church? Remember that it isn't necessary to use the label "Trinity" in order to believe and teach the essential points of the doctrine. It is similar to the doctrine of the Incarnation that way. Neither words are found in Scripture, but that is not important. What's important is whether the Bible supports the essential beliefs. Does it?
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#343129 - 03/10/10 08:30 PM
Re: "war in heaven" - real or metaphorical?
[Re: John317]
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John317: Can you tell us who the first SDA was who stated clearly that God will not destroy the wicked by fire after the one thousand years? Please give the reference. teresaq(sda): with all due respect, can you give one pioneer who believed in the "trinity" doctrine? or that the Holy Spirit literally inhabits a person? please give the reference. Sure, I can. please do, to both. :)
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Psalm 140:8 Grant not, O LORD, the desires of the wicked: further not his wicked device; lest they exalt themselves. Selah.
3.Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
2Ch 20:15... Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
yes, Lord and thank You.
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