#201141 - 11/20/08 12:30 AM
Musing from an adventist about adventists....
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Recently, I was invited to attend a committee meeting about putting up a radio for our small town that is rather large for the south west Oregon.
I noted that these committee members have already worked the church, got into the attic and are doing some remodeling. They are going to put up a radio station, broadcasting with 3ABN radio [and they claim, video]....
.....I have listened to 3 ABN....I consider it one of the more conservative, with Amazing Facts even more on the conservative side, adventist entertainment industrys that we have...And mostly, it's lack luster stories and preaching is just plain hokey when trying to present to a world that is dying, a living message.
The problem with this radio station that this church has, is that it wants the gospel message sent out to the community.....The question that I present to them is who want to listen to 3 ABN? Only Adventists are more interested in 3ABN than non-Adventist.. Why are we wasting our hard earned dollars to present something that the world doesn't want to hear?
There are some amazing solo in the music field....but who wants to listen to Jamie George play violin? Who want to listen to Del Decker sing "Amazing Grace"? Sure, they do well....but they can not do well in the world today without Adventist dollars supporting them....Dollars that could be used to evangelize people in some other endevor....
Why do I want to give my expertise in building up a radio station that will entertain adventists rather than bring someone to the gospel.....?
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#201148 - 11/20/08 01:18 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: Neil D]
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Some very good and appropriate questions Neil. I am glad that you are working on this. I am not aware of a truly evangelistic SDA broadcast if that is what you are wanting. But among the ones we have ... I would suggest Hope over 3ABN. I have noticed that Hope is being much more progressive and timely in their programming. They are much more upbeat and modern. I think they would attract a non-SDA audience better. Not a whole lot better ... but I have much more 'hope' for them than 3ABN. Just a personal observation from one who watches SDA TV quite a bit.
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#201157 - 11/20/08 02:22 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: Redwood]
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Where ya been, Hoss? Been quiet without ya.
Now to your question, while I agree that SDA's are probably more likely to watch 3 ABN than non-SDA's, it is still important to have for all the SDA's that can't get to church for whatever reason. I think this is one of those situations where you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, there needs to be more outreach programs to bring in those non-SDA's, however, one can't ignore the SDA's that also need feeding.
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#201159 - 11/20/08 02:56 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: Liz]
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After my conversion, I was searching actively for the truth.
God lead me directly to 3ABN. There's no other way to explain it.
We can't change anybody's heart. Only the Holy Spirit can. Our job is to provide the truth.
3ABN does that. I know first-hand.
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#201161 - 11/20/08 03:05 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: bygjymbo]
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BTW: I live in Las Vegas where there's a low-power station owned by 3ABN.
There's at least 15 people in my church with the same testimoney.
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#201164 - 11/20/08 03:31 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: bygjymbo]
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HEY NEIL
WELL our church in DICKSON TN about 50 miles south west of NASHVILLE have the 3ABN radio station. IT broadcast all over our country plus some cites in the surrounding 4 borders. our church would be consider medium side we have 125 members on the books. we have any where from 50 to 70 that attend each sabbath. we have had this radio station for about 4 years now. and there has been several non Adventist that have contacted our church because of the radio station. our church aslo has a church school and there have been a few non Adventist students that have enrolled in the school because of the radio station.
now with all this said if your Church choose 3ABN OR the HOPE channel I THINK IT would be worth it CHRIST said he would die to save just one soul
any way this is my 2 cents worth
I HOPE the right choice is made....
dgrimm60
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#201180 - 11/20/08 06:15 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: Neil D]
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I think it will depend on what type of audience you are trying to reach,ie, TN, Ga, and the southern states would more likely listen to ABN because of the traditional conservative attitudes of that part of the country. If the area you are in is more towards the question and show me type of mindset, well that might not work. Each audience need a different approach.
I agree with you, let the preacher preach to the choir, but use the hard earned dollars for an outreach to the community. There are other ways than a radio station, but then, that usually means some type of shoe leather, hands on, personal involvement in the community. Walk the talk, so to speak!
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#201193 - 11/20/08 08:40 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: Neil D]
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The problem with this radio station that this church has, is that it wants the gospel message sent out to the community.....The question that I present to them is who want to listen to 3 ABN? Only Adventists are more interested in 3ABN than non-Adventist.. Why are we wasting our hard earned dollars to present something that the world doesn't want to hear?
Obviously you haven't heard or seen the results of decisions made for Christ with baptism as a direct result of those "hokey" programs. Paul was put to death by the unbelievers of his "hokey" preaching in areas far beyond the borders of the Jewish influence, but he continued preaching in the power of the Spirit, not to mention that numbers yielding to the message of salvation through the blood of Jesus doesn't necessarily equate to "the wrong message being preached". BTW, 3ABN is broadcasting to 80% of the world's population now and many of the people who are listening and responding, live on dirt floors, barely making enough to keep body and soul together. "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘ Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,And seeing you will see and not perceive;" Matthew 13:14 NKJV "Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—" Revelation 3:17 NKJV "Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:14 NKJV Regards! 
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#201244 - 11/21/08 12:23 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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Obviously you haven't heard or seen the results of decisions made for Christ with baptism as a direct result of those "hokey" programs. Paul was put to death by the unbelievers of his "hokey" preaching in areas far beyond the borders of the Jewish influence, but he continued preaching in the power of the Spirit, not to mention that numbers yielding to the message of salvation through the blood of Jesus doesn't necessarily equate to "the wrong message being preached".
I am not talking about hokey in the sense that a good gospel message is being brought out. I am talking about POOR messages that are brought out and tauted as being a 'good message'. In case you are wondering, I have seen a living message given to the people. I have seen the gospel thru song, contempory music, unify the various churches and bring people of the community together. I have seen KTSY, in Boise Idaho, go from a $70K/year donation FROM THE COMMUNITY, to $300K per year. And on most years, it makes it goal. It has an 85% pledge/real money realized. Most pledges, like NPR, average 15%-35% pledge/real money realized. [In case you are wondering, your government passed laws saying that if you pledge an amount, you are committed to fulfilling that pledge unless you can show why you will not do that, ie you found out that they are not the organization you thought they were and support ideals opposed to yours.] That radio station rivals any other country/rock/jass station in the treasure valley. In fact, it's is rated as THE MOST LISTEN TO STATION in the area. Why? because, imo, it preaches gospel thru contemporay music....It promotes itself as a 'family' station. It brings in concerts of popular CHRISTIAN music stars. Stars, whose primary goal, is to glorify Christ, by talking/singing about God's love for each member of the family ect. There is no swearing or "veggie" swearing....It is always upbeat, and never negative. ...I am talking about 3ABN, whose conservative ways stifles the imagination, reaffirms SDA dogma, and to be quite honest, makes more converts more of a problem than what they are worth. The only evangelistic program worse than 3ABN is Amazing Facts, whose founder was even more conservative. Luckily, they have done some tempering of thier message, so as to not embarrassed the SDA church further. BTW, 3ABN is broadcasting to 80% of the world's population now and many of the people who are listening and responding, live on dirt floors, barely making enough to keep body and soul together. Yeah, people are listening....but only certain types are listening and responding...If 3ABN would change it's format from Jim Baker/Tammy Faye format and create it's own TV program, if it would preach a forgiveness gospel that actually showed forgiveness, then it would truely be great...As it is, it will always be dependent upon the Joel Osborn, Benny Hinn, Jimmy Swaggart to show them the way.
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#201247 - 11/21/08 12:47 AM
Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists....
[Re: Neil D]
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Registered: 03/24/00
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So why don't you start your own TV station and show them how to really tell the message the way God would have it done. I would say that more non SDA's watch 3ABN than SDA's. But than it seems to me that God would never be blessing 3 ABN or AF, It Is Written, etc if they were that weak. Like someone else has mentioned the many testimony's of non sda's is rather large. I for one an not at all a conservative adventist but rather a liberal and/or rebel and I find 3abn to have something for all different kinds of people. My 2 cents worth.
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