Does everyone have the same problem with clubadventist domain?

I was hassling with this all day yesterday. I was going to post a few of the hundreds of conspiracies you find in the Bible, in the gay new "conspiracy theory" forum, but whenever I posted, it didn't show up. I still go there, and I don't see my posts:

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/314/1/Conspiracy_Theories.html

And posts in other forums didn't show up, too.

The Bravus gave me the bright idea of logging into the adventistforum.com domain. I did, and there are all my posts:

http://www.adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/314/1/Conspiracy_Theories.html

You just can't see them on clubadventist, for some reason. Anyone else having this problem?

My Private Mail "letter" has been blinking for 5+months, with no new mail in there. It's whack..

It's not the only thing that is "whack"o.

Once upon a time everything worked great here. Then the software makers came up with an updated version. Now nothing will ever work right again.

Honestly, to get things to work right Stan has to spend hours consulting online with the software makers and trying to fix stuff via trial and error. Then... if by some great stroke of luck one day Stan gets everything working right... the software makers will come out with another update.

But using the address 'adventistforum.com' (with no 'www' in front) solves many people's problems.

Give it a try, and then report any further issues here.

(BTW I'm not part of the admin or tech teams here, just a guy who tries to be helpful)

This is real I hope you know. I am serious. With my computer I have threatened to stop allowing it to update because I find that my computer works worse and worse with each update. It is obvious to me. But the tech guys push me to do it anyway. What is with this?

It is a conspiracy Red, and you better get on board, or the fella's in long black trenchcoats will be knocking on your door......Wait...did Rush just say that there is a new *gay conspiracy theory* forum?....ummm....I need some aspirin....

Liz going off scratching her head, wondering what that is exactly.

Don't worry Liz ... you don't have access to it . PTL

Yeah, because...I am not....Oh forget it... I think I will just go to bed before I get myself into trouble.

Hey, mine too... for most of this year.

aldona

I did not say "new gay conspiracy theory forum". That wording implies that the forum is for gays only, or that it is about conspiracy theories involving homosexual organizations.

The phrase I used was: 'gay new "conspiracy theory" forum'. There's a big difference.

That means it's "gay", or "not cool at all", that there's a new forum, that no one can even see, where every topic is sent to, that is arbitrarily labeled delusional, or unfounded, by an administration that has no knowledge of current world events in relation to Bible prophecy.

And the implication is that every "conspiracy theory" is trash. But the Bible is full of conspiracy theories, most of which turned out to be true. Here are a few examples:

1. The published report said that Uriah died by accident, but Nathan had a "conspiracy theory", that the king formed a conspiracy to murder Joab, and that it was not an accident. This "conspiracy theory" brought justice, (2 Sam. 11 and 12).

2. The published report was that Naboth cursed the Lord and it was justice that he was put to death. But Elijah had a "conspiracy theory", that the whole thing was set up by a corrupt government in order to possess Naboth's vineyard, (1 Kings 21).

3. Mordecai had a "conspiracy theory". He believed that some men had formed a conspiracy to kill the king. He saved the king's life, and got himself in a position to help God's people. (Esther 2:21-23).

4. Mordecai had another "conspiracy theory" that Haman wanted to genocide the Jewish race. He exposed the conspiracy, and saved alot of lives, and the conspirators where brought to justice. (Esther 7-9).

5. The first conspiracy theory in the Bible, that I know of, was when Abraham believed there would be a conspiracy to kill him, to take his wife, (Gen. 12:12). It's not possible for a man to just come out and kill someone and say to the wife: "I just killed your husband. Will you marry me?" It would have had to been set up so the head of the conspiracy is not implicated in the murder, like how David had Uriah killed to take his wife. It was set up so no one would know that David had anything to do with it.

6. The first use of the root word for "conspiracy", is in Gen. 37:18

Gen. 37:18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him.

In this case, the published report was that an animal killed Joseph.

Gen. 37:33 And he knew it, and said, [It is] my son's coat; an evil beast hath devoured him; Joseph is without doubt rent in pieces.

The Bible shows that conspiracy theories have saved lives by preventing conspiracies from taking place, and have brought the real culprits, the conspirators, to justice.

But the conspirators often have alot of power, so they will say things like "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning ______________; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty." And if he happens to be the ruler of the most powerful nation on earth, then alot of people will believe the guilty party is whoever he says it is, and will even ridicule anyone who wants to investigate matter, even investigation proves the published report to be all but impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ

ROFL

Funny. But again, that's not what I said. Such a statement actually sounds gay.

I can only imagine a gay person saying something like "That's so gay!"

And the term "gay" is a good adjective. ..... That's gay.....

In the Philippines the gay population is out of control. Many times higher than in the US. It's noting to with genetics. They just let it get out of hand. They have gays on the popular shows on TV, broadcasting their gay influence.

And I'm not going to change my language to be politically correct to accommodate gays. You will have to shoot me first.

Back to this domain issue, i discovered something funny. Both domains work the same on Firefox browser, but not on Maxthon, (IE based).

http://www.adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/103/1/Townhall.html
http://www.clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/103/1/Townhall.html

Try it. Hit both links in Firefox, and you see the exact same topics displayed.

Then hit both links on Internet Explorer, and you see some topics displayed, and some are not.

Isn't that weird?

Now, I want people to recognize that I am of a sound mind. I did not jump to the conclusion that this was something my enemies have done to me. I did an investigation into the matter, considering all possibilities. Therefore, let it be known, that I base my conclusions on facts, and not assumptions, or rumors.

No one here would ask you to be politically correct, but it would be good if you would be accurate, fair, and thoughtful about people.

What you say here is the same as if I would say straights, or heterosexuals take women into the a dark ally and rape them. Some gays may do the things you describe, in which case both accuracy and fairness require you to say "some gays." Otherwise you leave the impression that it's something that you can expect from most or all gays.

I have never used the phrase "that's gay" nor would I.

What you've given above is a stereotypical, not a realistic, view of gays.

It's certainly not true that gays will do anything to cause a straight person to become gay. There may be some gays who would do anything but again that hardly describes gay people per se.

Gee Rush, a simple "Hey guys, I made a mistake. I am sorry" would have sufficed.....

I am so gay means..

To older folks -- happy
to post 25 year old -- homosexual/lesbian
to under 25 - - means Stupid


Word meaning changes over the years... which are you in here???

Hey STan,

I don't want any resemblances of that word pointed toward me, k?

I am NOT happy...and I ain't a homosexual and I do have a couple of years of college...So, you don't need to go and start insultin' people around here...

...specifically me...

was not directed at Neil....

I thought so. I know it was not directed at me either, so that only leaves one other possibility.

Read that again, John......Was it directed at you or was it NOT directed at you????


Gosh, you think them teachers would teach these kids how to put thier thoughts on paper now days.....

Rush, you really are an unpleasant individual.

Yeah that's a typo. Happens to everyone.

So clarify your thoughts PLEASE....you have me on pins and needles...


directed or NOT directed...attchoo..?

Read up, brother Neil.

Oh it was directed not at me or you but at Rush. I am positive.

I corrected it already. I'd neglected to add "not."

I expected a "Bless you" to my 'attchoo'....

oh, well...yes, oh well...

Thank you, John317, for needlessly butchering my post, making a mess of it.


I didn't say all gays are the same. How ignorant would I have to be? But I know, from experience, that if you see a group of gays, gathered together, stay away.

And from reading the Bible:

Gen. 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, [even] the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
....
19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Judges 19:22 [Now] as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, [and] beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

That's what happens when it gets out of hand. How many times has this happened, and it not been recorded?

There's a very important rule, that goes:
"Always treat a gun like it's loaded."

That rule has saved many a life, including my little brother's, (have I told that story yet?).

In the Philippines, I have witnesses several perfectly normal guys become flaming, cross-dressing gays. The change was like Dr. Jekyll, and Mr. Hyde. Sometimes he's flamboyant, and sometimes normal. Gradually, the times of gayness, would last longer, and would eventually take over completely.

If any gays have a problem with something I've said, then let them come here and speak for themselves, or forever hold their piece. Stop trying to defend them.


I didn't say that.

Like I said, better safe than sorry.

Matter of opinion, I'd say.

At least I stick to addressing the issues instead of attacking the person. Do I criticize the manner in which people come across? No. Because that's weak.

OK, wait.

This is what I meant. I was just trying to describe why the word "gay" is used in a negative way, like it is. You have to see it from the perspective of a society that does not tolerate homosexuality, so "gay" is always negative, and never a good thing. It is always a condemned thing.

Growing up, homosexuality was never tolerated. It was NEVER an option. There where no gays, anywhere. As if we wanted to avoid the judgments of God on our land, at all costs:

Lev. 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
....
18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Even if we where not a people that wanted to serve God. God doesn't judge every land for not wanting to serve Him. He doesn't judge them for idolatry, and such things. But he does judge a land for these kinds of things.

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
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1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

We didn't even have pleasure in those who do such things.

Gays where always shunned from society. And who are you to tell them they are wrong?

Concerning anyone who might have had problems with homosexuality, if they would have been fortunate enough, to have been born in such a land, they would have never gotten into that whole mess, in the first place.

So now, how do you judge?

Actually, you did use the term "gay" in an inappropriate manner when you said:


You are attempting to define the term to mean "not cool at all". And, in my opinion, it is inappropriate to use the term as such.

My post was a link to a website that is dedicated to educating people to use the term appropriately, and to not simply throw it around in casual conversation as you have. If you'd have taken the time to link to it, you would have seen that the words were not my own, and that it was the title of the link.

The point is, stop saying "that's so gay" or using the term "gay" to mean "not cool at all".

Stop it.

Using a term for a group of people as a term for something bad is simply completely inappropriate. I know Christians have their issues with homosexuality that might obscure the point, so translate it: imagine if the slur was 'that's black' or 'that's Jewy'.

back to an earlier statement..

the word gay has a different meaning depending on your age.. to those under 25 or so, gay does NOT mean what my age group means homosexual.. it simply means 'stupid'

That's true, I agree, but that meaning is definitely derived from it's earlier meaning about being homosexual, rather than arriving from somewhere else. Perhaps in 20 years or so it will be shorn of that association, but for right now I believe it is inappropriate for that reason - and for the hurt it has the potential to cause middle-aged gay people. As I said above, what if 'latino' came to mean dumb? Would it be OK to use it that way?

And then, of course, there's the offensive [censored] rush4hire spewed later in the thread in attempting to justify his use of the term. If he was using it in the sense you describe there, Stan, he would/should not have tied it back to the nonsense about homosexual rape and 'conversion'.

If I wasn't so considerate of others I would use the term "That's so Australian" when I didn't like something. But I have better manners than that

When someone passes gas in church can we say "That's so Adventist"? Just wondering...



Another problem I have with this new software (and it certainly isn't gay in any meaning of the word) is that when we get the weekly update in our email we have to cut and past the url's. Links don't work. That is like so '90s.

I cringe when I hear people say "I jewed them down" as a way of saying they got someone to lower the price of something. It is a way of reinforcing the sterotype that Jews are stingy. Not good in my book.

Your exact words were:



Maybe you didn't mean to include all gays, or homosexuals, in your statement, but that is what your sentence means.

Let me bring another example: our daughters never say 'Oh my God!' as a general expression in conversation, although all of their friends do. I agree that in general usage is king, and that words are defined by the way they are used. But in some instances there are other considerations - in this instance respect for God's name - that override the general rule.

I believe it's the same with the derogatory use of 'gay' - usage is not a sufficient argument to make it OK because it is disrespectful to people.

And again, the point is that clearly to rush who is the one who used it, the derogatory meaning is directly derived from the relation with homosexuality.

Here in Southern California, among the teens, "gay" still means homosexual (or people they think are!). It's the main word they use for homosexual. If any of the young people here were to say, "he's gay," there would be no doubt what it meant.

Do you know what the connection is between the word "gay" and "stupid"? I assume you're describing the use of that word in Canada, or at least in some parts of it. Is it like that also in Australia as far as you know?

I know you were talking to the Australian and the Canadian people, but "gay" means "stupid" here too. And it isn't just the under 25 crowd that says it either; one can hear people of all ages using it that way. I am not saying it is right or condoning the usage, I am just saying.....

The word is used in that way in the UK even more than in other countries, I believe. In Australia it's actually not all that common, even among teens, basically *because* they understand that it's offensive.

What area of the country do you live in? I'm in the Palm Springs and Los Angeles Area, both of which have a large gay population.

I lived as a gay person for most of my adult life, until about 4 years ago now, and I had never heard of "gay" used to mean stupid-- but maybe that is because most of the people I know who use the word at all are gay themselves.

I read a lot of literature also, mostly American and British, and have never noticed its use that way.

Is it used on TV to mean "stupid" in the sitcoms or new movies? (I don't watch much TV, except for news and sports.)

I can see that H.L. Mencken, who wrote a huge volume called The American Language, needs to revise his work.

Have you noticed it being used that way in modern British literature-- poetry, stories, novels, etc.-- where the dialog of young people occurs?

I'm in Brisbane, which is if anything a more conservative part of the country than Sydney and Melbourne, but I think Australian culture is generally a bit more sensitive and 'politically correct' (though I hate the term).

No, I don't think the term is being used that way in scripted TV shows. It might be appearing in reality TV, or among some radio DJs, but as I say, it's not that common in Australia, but I believe in the UK it's pretty prevalent.

Honestly, if rush had simply said "I don't like the Conspiracy forum, but I didn't realise the term 'gay' used this way was offensive, I'll choose another word", all would have been well. Instead he launched a scurrilous and inaccurate antigay diatribe.

I haven't noticed it on t.v. or sitcoms, but I live in the panhandle part of Texas. One can hear it in just about any store you walk into from bits and pieces of conversations. But then we are probably not the most politically correct group of people.

What you say is interesting to me in light of the wikipedia article on the word "Gay":



Could you give me two or so examples of how you have heard the word being used in conversation, etc., among